That pesky birth certificate
I thought I would write a post to pick up on what cats said earlier about Leo Donofrio’s blog. Many people are highly misinformed about the entire eligibility issue but to at least set the record straight on that pesky birth certificate would probably clarify a lot of confusion.
The media outlets no matter if they are on TV, radio, or a newspaper consistently misrepresent and mislead people on the birth certificate issue. They all claim they have seen and touched Obama’s birth certificate and maintain that it is fait accompli.
This is simply untrue. Obama never released a birth certificate what he released is a certification of live birth. This is not a birth certificate. It doesn’t name any hospital. It doesn’t have the name of any attending physician on it. The certification number is blacked out which invalidates the document (says so on the bottom of the document).
Philip Berg has excellent documentation on the forgery of Obama’s colb, however, since I am not a document analysis expert, I will focus on other areas of the issue.
Then we have statements like the ones of Dr. Chiyome Fukino, The Hawaii Dept. of Health Director who said that she had “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Senator Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” And then in later sentiments says “Obama was born in Hawaii.” Oh really Chiyome? Well where is your proof? As Leo Donofrio has discovered, according to Hawaiian law, if Dr. Fukino makes a public statement, under 92F-12(a)(15), all “Information collected and maintained for the purpose of making” the statement available to the public must be disclosed.
§92F-12 Disclosure required. (a) Any other provision in this chapter to the contrary notwithstanding, each agency shall make available for public inspection and duplication during regular business hours:
(15) Information collected and maintained for the purpose of making information available to the general public;
Where is the information Chiyome used for the purpose of making her public statement? Is she citing the certification of live birth Obama released? Her statements really don’t hold any weight especially when you look into the state policies and procedures of Hawaii.
Up until June 2009, The Hawaiian Dept. of Health even stated that certifications of live birth are not acceptable under their verification standards.
In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green,” the qualifications state. “This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL
What is even more suspicious and raises questions of complicity, is that the same Hawaiian Dept. of Health recently upgraded their policy on certifications of live birth sometime around July. Stating that they now accept certifications of live birth.
because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth.
Hmmm… What changed within about 30 days from June to July of 2009 that they now suddenly accept certifications of live birth? Why would The Hawaiian Dept. of Health suddenly, out of nowhere change one of their long standing policies that directly correlates with the pressing matter of Obama’s eligibility? Because I thought a “certification requires additional verification”? What changed Hawaii? Were you tired of being pressured by patriotic Americans who are pressing you with questions that affect the constitution? It could only make us wonder.
Back during the time Obama claims was born, there were four, yes FOUR different ways one could obtain a Hawaiian Birth Certificate. HI statutes 338-178 and 338-41 allows foreign born children to obtain Hawaiian Birth Certificates and allows one to obtain a birth certificate on a statement by a parent or grandparent. See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 and Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act.
Finally, even if he was at one point a natural born citizen and had a Hawaiian Birth Certificate he still wouldn’t be natural born. Obama’s mother divorced his father, she remarried Lolo Soetoro from Indonesia. In his book, Obama states he went to school in Indonesia for four years. Significantly at the time, Indonesia was at war, the only people who could go to school in Indonesia were people who were citizens of Indonesia. Therefore his stepfather had to do one of two things to get him into school – he either had to adopt him or he had to acknowledge him, that is how he went to school. His school records indicate his name as Barry Soetoro, nationality Indonesian. Indonesia at the time did not provide for dual citizenship, so he was now a citizen of Indonesia. Even if he went through Immigration back in the U.S. he would then become a naturalized citizen, not natural born therefore ineligible for presidency according to Section 1481 of the United States Constitution that provides loss of nationality by natural born citizens upon “taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state.”
There still is no definitive proof from Obama that proves he is a natural born citizen. Judge David Carter has recently said in a court order that plantiffs could have standing to raise the question of eligibility, but it should be filed in the District of Columbia. Perhaps one day this issue will have it’s day in court where it will be heard on the merits. But for now, the long and winding road of Obama’s eligibility continues on.
cross-posted at http://shouldvevotedforhillary.wordpress.com
Re: “Obama never released a birth certificate what he released is a certification of live birth. This is not a birth certificate.”
It is a birth certificate, a short-form birth certificate. More importantly, it is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii. And, it is the only birth certificate that Hawaii currently sends out. It no longer sends out copies of the original birth certificate. (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html)
The Wall Street Journal commented: “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.”
Re: “The Hawaiian Dept. of Health even stated that certifications of live birth are not acceptable under their verification standards.
In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green,” the qualifications state. “This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”
DHHL said that it PREFERRED the original, not that it would not accept it. Some people do have the original, which they have saved from the time of birth. But the DOH of Hawaii no longer sends out copies of the original. So, what does DHHL do? I asked them, and they said that they accept the Certification of Live Birth as proof of birth in Hawaii (as do all the other departments and the US State Department), and then will seek other information to prove the race of the individual. Since Obama does not have to prove that he is Hawaiian by race, the Certification of Live Birth is proof of birth in Hawaii, which is what counts.
Re: “Therefore his stepfather had to do one of two things to get him into school – he either had to adopt him or he had to acknowledge him, that is how he went to school.”
NO, there was another thing that his stepfather could do. He could lie about the status of Obama, saying that Obama was Indonesian, when he was not. That, plus maybe a small bribe, was what they did. Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia, as both Indonesia and the US State Department have said. The statement by the US State Department is in this legal filing, and it also says that Obama was never adopted. (http://www.scribd.com/full/17508463?access_key=key-1vg7c228ugapeqcnkki6)
The Wall Street Journal says about the Indonesia story:
“After the president’s parents divorced, his mother married an Indonesian man and moved the family to Jakarta, where Barack lived from ages 6 through 10 (1967-71), at which point he returned to the U.S. The hypothesis–based on thin evidence and fat speculation–is that Obama was adopted by his stepfather and therefore became an Indonesian citizen.
Even if that were true, however, it would not deprive him of his status as a natural-born citizen of America. As the State Department Web site notes:
Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered . . ., a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.
It is outlandish to suggest that a boy under 10 could persuade a diplomat of all that. It is only a tiny bit less outlandish to think that Obama came back to the U.S., spent eight or more years here, and then decided to renounce his citizenship.
Besides, the oath of renunciation is administered in writing. What are we to conclude about someone who refuses to accept an official state birth certificate as proof of birth but expects us to accept utterly preposterous theories with no documentary evidence whatever?”
I will leave it to shouldvevotedforHillary to answer for this post. I will just repeat what I said to you once before in an earlier response: “I missed the mark in my response to you earlier tonight. It’s more like we know McCain was born in Panama and may hold dual citizenship. Obama probably was born in Hawaii, but Barack Sr. was not a U.S. citizen and that means Obama Jr. held dual citizenship at birth and that is what makes him ineligible to be president. Unless of course his bc shows that his father is not Obama Sr. in which case he might still be eligible. There are enough questions to at least warrant a serious attempt to discover the truth.”
Yes, Hawaii does still in fact provide the long form birth certificate. In fact twins who are in their 80’s have recently came out with the long form birth certificates that they got from Hawaii.
Re. DHHL – Obviously, you did not fully read the post. Even if certifications of live birth were fully accepted it does not matter because there were 4 different ways one could obtain a Hawaii birth certificate, two of the which you did not need to be a natural born citizen. So the argument that a simple certification of live birth quashes questions raised is moot.
In regards to the Indonesia issue – you are right parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship but you are missing the key term – NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP. So therefore, if Obama did go through immigration when he came back from Indonesia he could become a naturalized american citzen, however this is not NATURAL born citizenship.